Doesn't keep up to date with 2005..But still worth reading!

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	• The TNIV and the Gender-Neutral Bible Controversy Wayne Grudem, Vern Poythress B&H Academic, 2005 - 528 pages view larger image
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You Know The Funniest Part Of This Controversy?

It is the employment by NIV advocates of the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS that the KJV folks use against the NIV. You read that correctly: the NIV folks are using the SAME ARGUMENTS against the TNIV as the KJV folks used against them for twenty years.

Why the hypocrisy?

It starts with the dedication - the book is dedicated to James Dobson who saw the 'preservation of Scripture' was imperiled and sounded the alarm.

EXCUSE ME?

James Dobson is not a Greek or Hebrew scholar (as is later noted in the discussion of the 'controversy') - and the NIV uses dynamic equivalence, i.e. they generally do NOT use a word-for-word translation - but now they want to force one on masculine pronouns?

I find it to be an old controversy and one where the princpiles are acting just like they accused the KJV folks of acting years ago - accurately.

The book, however, IS a good read on the subject of the controversy. Just remember: you're only getting one side of the story.

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Doesn't keep up to date with 2005..But still worth reading!

All of this book's critiques are based on the TNIV's 2002, release. If the reader of this book looks carefully at this book's examples of where the TNIV goes wrong, you'll notice it references the 2002 edition. But there are differences between the 2005 and 2002 edition. These changes were probably made because of people like Grudem!

This book does explain their side well. They did expose some questionable parts of the 2002 edition, and their critiquing of the TNIV is probably what drove some updates to be made of the 2005 edition.

I think this book illustrates why it is good to always have two opposites arguing an issue. Just like in politics, each side's constant critiquing of the other, only drives the final product to be stronger! If the Grudem like people did not exist, some real problems could have remained in the TNIV 2005 edition. On the other hand, if TNIV folks did not exist, our Bible translations would remain using language that does not address the changes of today's language. We wouldn't realize that "he\man\brothers" no longer means both male and females to those using today's language.

The TNIV does have some issues, but so do all Bible translations. Just like with any other Bible translation, you should have one or two others that you read also. Grudem's picking apart of the TNIV does not invalidate it as a translation, anymore than picking apart the nasb or kjv would invalidate them as translations also

Read this book, so your views on this issue can be sharpened. Then go buy a book favoring inclusive language and read that too!

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Excellent overview and scholarly discussion

Ok, whether you agree that women should be ministers or not, the thing is here not to tamper with the wording of the Bible. The introduction is written by an egalitarian professor who, while supporting female ordination, opposes gender-neutral Bibles because they are dishonest.

The editors and publishers of the TNIV have been very dishonest with the public and the evangelical world at large. They signed the Colorado Springs Guidelines then withdrew days before the TNIV NT was released - long after they violated their pledge to not do a gender-neutral Bible.

These authors go point-by-point to show the problems with gender-neutral translations of Scripture as well as the history of the whole TNIV business. They argue in favor of neutrality where warranted (e.g. the word "anthropos" as "human") but the opposition goes further, mandating that the word for male (Gk "aner") can also mean anyone, which is bad Greek and bad theology.

If you want to rewrite the Bible to fit your theology (or to make money), just admit it. If you want good translation principles, read this book, which is far more fair to the opposition than egalitarian books (e.g. D.A. Carson's book) are to the complimentarian side.

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"The Bible is God?s own Word to us." Translating the words of God has become an even more daunting task in recent years as the pressure of "political correctness" and various activist agendas have sought to influence the landscape. No issue has become more controversial than gender neutral Bible translations, especially with the release of the TNIV.

Vern Poythress and Wayne Grudem examine the translation practice of replacing the generic "he" and the specific "father" with the gender-neutral "they" and "parent" with special attention focused on the TNIV.

While translators may be well intentioned in seeking not to offend, Poythress and Grudem contend that the results are subtly changing meanings of the original texts.

The authors seek to build a dialogue that will result in understanding both sides of the gender-neutral controversy and the challenge of producing accurate Bible translations.

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