A Disturbing Look at the Situation Inside the Seminaries.

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	• Goodbye, Good Men: How Liberals Brought Corruption Into the Catholic Church Michael S. Rose Regnery Publishing, Inc., 2002 - 288 pages average customer review:based on 106 reviews view larger image
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A must read to understand the church crisis

I read this book back in 2002 and was indeed very shocked at the stuff it describes. I knew there were homosexuals in the seminaries (like in all places), but I didn't realize how much power and predominance they particularly have in the seminaries (at least in the ones they belong to).

From my experience in discussing the church crisis with lay people (who are generally unaware of the filth described in this book), I find that they readily think that the solutions to the sex abuse scandal and priest shortage are to have married priests and female priests. This book will show the average lay person why this solution is wrong.

One of the observations described in this book is the difference between conservative "orthodox" environments vs. liberal in the church. Conservative seminaries show strong numbers of vocations. Whereas liberal seminaries and their dioceses do not. I must say that I visited a seminary for a few days shortly after I read this book and I did not see any of the bad stuff described. The seminary promoted orthodox teachings in line with the magisterium of the Church. I also noticed that they had plenty of vocations.

Some parts of the book also describe various types of liturgical abuse going on during Mass at some of these liberal seminaries. It seems as if the people participating in these types of liturgical abuses are not Catholic at all, but of another different non-Christian religion. (go to YouTube and look up "liturgical abuse dances" or just "liturgical abuse" and you'll get my point.) It made me pop this question into my head: If people like these who are running parishes and seminaries call themselves "Catholic", why do they shun the teachings of the Catechism and the magisterium? I think it would seem logical that if I call myself a Catholic, it is because I believe in the official Catholic teachings. Otherwise I find it pointless to belong to an organization whose beliefs I don't believe in. And this is what the liberals in the Catholic Church are doing. I find it puzzling that they say they are Catholic, yet they don't really show to believe in the Church's teachings.

Incidentally, I was browsing through the reviews that gave this book a "1 star". Many of the reviewers showed names of cities which have some of these gay seminaries described in the book. They try to discredit this book saying that what it says is not true. One even criticized the author's views as going "against the progress made in the last 40 years". Only a liberal in the church would write such a thing. I guess many of the people from the described seminaries flocked to amazon to give it a bad review, as this book goes against their agenda.

I thank the author of this book for helping me understand what the evil in the Church is.

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"The Smoke of Satan"

It was Pope Paul VI who said "The smoke of Satan has entered the Catholic Church." He might have been referring to what is the subtitle of this book, "How Liberals Brought Corruption into the Catholic Church". Michael Rose gives us details about what is happening in Catholic seminaries in the United States and the picture is anything but good. In fact, it is terribly bad, for it has deprived us of so many priests that we need, and provided the worst kind of dissidents, disbelievers and amoral men to "guide us" to sanctity and the salvation of our souls. As a result of their "malguidance" many Catholics are losing their way to holiness and perhaps, even Heaven.

From more than 100 interviews he presents us with facts that indicate a high level of corruption in a number of seminaries, honestly telling us that these events he chronicles are not to be found in every seminary, but the practices and policies are widespread enough to be of major concern. The main theme of this book is the rejection or discouragement of good, mentally stable and intelligent young men for seminary study and spiritual formation, and for ordination to the priesthood. By means of questionable psychological testing and interviews, the rectors and counselors soon determine that a candidate is orthodox or heterodox, and in the particular cases examined, their strong preference is for the latter. With the administrators making choices like this, the whole purpose of the seminaries is corrupted. These institutions exist to teach would-be priests what the Church has always taught because it is what the Church has always believed. This is orthodoxy.

There are three elements in this matter which are of primary importance; Orthodoxy vs Heterodoxy, spiritual exercises and formation, and homosexuality. Heterodoxy is preferred and dissidence is welcomed, so that authoritative and traditional Church teaching is undermined. The reverse should be the norm in a Catholic seminary. Pious spiritual exercises are discouraged, even frowned upon because the heterodox teachers do not believe in them. So, what are they doing in a Catholic seminary? They do not belong there. And the third element, homosexuality, is a common practice in many instances. Not only is it permitted and condoned, some faculty members lead the charge for "cruising gay bars". If the Church has always taught that homosexuality is sinful, what are these teachers doing in the seminary?

All of these things that Michael Rose writes about serve to explain much of the turmoil in the Church. He implies a strong coincidence with the Second Vatican Council, but does not say that the Council was the cause, and rightfully so, for though the timing was coincidental, it was the misinterpretation of Council documents that led to liberal attitiudes which corrupted the Church's structure. He describes how the "death wish for a male, celibate priesthood is a self-fulfilling prophecy" for the shortage of priests we are experiencing.

Each of the thirteen chapters is a blockbuster expose about what has happened in many seminaries to discourage GOOD MEN from entering and becoming ordained priests, saying to them "GOODBYE". Even without the author's elucidation of the topics, the chapter titles alone are descriptive of the problems:
A Man-Made Crisis (about the priest shortage)
Stifling the Call (to priestly vocations)
The Gatekeeper Phenomenon (screening out good men)
The Gay Subculture
The Heterodoxy Downer (seminarians demoralized by false teaching)
Pooh-Poohing Piety (traditional faith practices disqualify orthodox seminarians)
Go See the Shrink! (counseling used to expel good men)
The Vocational Inquisition (identification and persecution of the orthodox seminarian)
Confronting the Obstacles (the tortuous route to ordination)
Heads in the Sand (complaints about seminaries go unanswered)
A Self-Fulfilling Prophecy (the artificial priest shortage)
The Right Stuff (living your life as the Church would expect you to)
Where the Men Are (orthodoxy attracts vocations)

Mr. Rose asserts that the pedophile priest problem is really a homosexual problem, much more so than pedophilia, and that the bizarre atmosphere and teaching in our seminaries plays a large part. Though it is disheartening to learn that our future priests are being corrupted, and good men are turned away, there is yet hope. Those dioceses and seminaries that are orthodox are getting large numbers of vocations and the tide seems to be turning.

We all probably know at least a little of what is going on in this matter, but if you want to know the whole horrid story, this is the book to read. Michael Rose has done an excellent job in his presentation of a difficult and important topic.

Truly, "the smoke of Satan has entered the Catholic Church".

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A Shocking Account of Corruption

"Good Bye, Good Men" is not a book for faint-hearted Catholics. It is an appalling expose of an institution - the American Catholic Church - that is corrupt to its very core. It is not merely that this institution had some problems, needed an improvement or two. No, the Amchurch was and is an elite establishment managed by heartless liberals that needed a rude and ruthless cutting open for all the world to see. Church officals would not do this. It required the faithful who, not out of vengeance, but in pure but wounded love for the Church that Jesus Christ founded, could provide first hand accounts of abuse and negligence.

"Good Bye, Good Men" is one in a series of books written by various authors that undertakes this painful purging, which necessarily begins with exposing the facts that this corruption exists at the highest levels of the American Catholic establishment. Purging, in this case, begins with a detective-like gathering of facts from witnesses. It means that persons and places must be identified, and events documented. I would say that "Good Bye, Good Men" is an exceptional start to this project. It is shocking in its information, even downright depressing. But for many of us - myself included - it is justice at last, if not at a rather late date.

In this book you will read story after story, told by those directly involved, of the gross mistreatment of the faithful - some lay people, others lay men pursuing the priesthood or religious life - by an impenetrable mass of strategically placed progressives and homosexuals. It is their way, or no way. Such is the modus operandi of the left. And it is shocking to see the degree to which they are willing and able to hold fast to their agenda of establishing a gay priesthood, or no priesthood at all. Which is to say that the vocations shortage is not really a shortage. Rather, it is a deliberate achievement, a crisis successfully attained by the deliberate policies of bishops, seminaries, and vocations directors. Celibacy the problem? Nope. The shortage is an attempt to force change upon the Church by leaving her either with too few priests, or with primarily radical and out of the closet gay priests who have every intention of promoting homosexualism from the pulpit and through the diocesan infrastructure. And that is my first-hand experience, having once pursued the religious life, only to find myself identified as an undesirable conservative. My story is briefly recounted in Michael Rose's book. So, contrary to the many reviewers who claim that the author has simply invented his material out of thin air, I happen to know first hand that at least one story is true in every word! And I know as well that the religious orders and diocesan priesthood are just stacked with gays, who certainly will not be preaching Catholic sexual morality from the pulpit. They form a united front against any meaningful reform of the Church by the magisterium. Until these men are exposed and removed, it will be business as usual, with irreverent Masses and deplorable homiles, as we've endured already for forty long long years.

It is important to know the truth about the modern Church. It is important that future generations of Catholics have a bluntly honest account of the present crisis, so that courageous and vigilant men and women will never again allow God's Church to be reduced from a body of believers restless for the salvation of souls to an elitist club for progressives and gays. "Good Bye, Good Men, " and other books like it, are essential to this project.

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A Disturbing Look at the Situation Inside the Seminaries.

_Goodbye, Good Men: How Liberals Brought Corruption into the Catholic Church_, published in 2002 by the conservative Regnery Publishing, by Catholic writer Michael S. Rose is a timely and disturbingly written account of the situation as it has existed inside the seminaries since the Second Vatican Council and the 1960s. The book of course is not without its faults and it must be stated outright that I believe a great deal of what is written here must be taken with a grain of salt; nevertheless, I feel that what Rose says here is highly important and must be examined thoughtfully by any practicing Catholic. The book comes written at a time when many believe there is a crisis among the priesthood, with an increasing number of priest sex offender cases making national attention, as well as cover-ups by the hierarchy. While the book is certainly relevant to such cases and may explain how such a situation comes to exist, it really does not focus so much on these situations other than to say that the public image of the priesthood has been corroded. What the book really attempts to address is the often made claim that there is a crisis in the priesthood and that there is a shortage of candidates for the priesthood which they believe requires a fundamental re-understanding of what it means to be a priest. Issues such as priestly celibacy, marriage among priests, the ordination of women, and homosexuality are brought up and usually those making such a claim believe that the teachings of the church on such issues are at fault and must be addressed. The author of this book takes a controversial stance in that he supports Catholic orthodoxy and the teaching of the popes on such issues and further he maintains that the alleged shortage in candidates for the priesthood is largely contrived. To address these issues, the author will delve into the situation as it exists in the seminaries and provides a disturbing account of extreme heterodoxy (and we're talking things that go well beyond the modernist crisis here), homosexuality among candidates, sexual improprieties, and a culture of liberalism and dissent from the Roman pontiff. This account is highly disturbing and the book is often quite graphic and certain to anger and enrage. As such, it must be read very carefully. One thing that needs to be said up front though is that the book is largely written in an historical vacuum. Accounts of improprieties among priests and monks are very old and slanders against the Catholic church date to at least the time of Celsus and other Roman pagan writers who often maintained that Christians were cannibals who ate babies. As such, there is always some reason for suspicion when such accounts are made. In many ways, the situation as presented in this book in the seminaries reminds me of the situation that exists in many universities everywhere following the influence of Sixties radicals who became entrenched in higher education. The only difference being that professors at seminaries are supposed to be teaching orthodox Catholic doctrine and philosophy. Nevertheless, I feel this book is timely and important and should be discussed and examined by all practicing Catholics.

The author begins by examining the claims that there is a shortage in candidates for the priesthood. This claim is commonly made by many and various reasons are given for it, some blaming church policies regarding celibacy, etc. and others blaming a culture of materialism and atheism (something which the author does not consider but which I believe should be thoroughly considered as well). The author then turns to the controversial idea of Archbishop Eldin F. Curtiss that the alleged priest shortage was largely contrived and that those who expressed such claims frequently had a death wish for the all-male celibate priesthood. The author claims that in seminaries where a culture and atmosphere of conservative orthodoxy exists, there is not the predicted shortage but rather that the shortage exists among the more liberal seminaries and dioceses. As such, the author maintains that a process exists in seminaries to "weed out" orthodox candidates and that further to address this problem what is really needed is a return to orthodoxy and not a move further away from it. The author then shows us the situation as it exists in the seminaries, beginning by maintaining that among young men the call to the priesthood is often stifled by precisely those who should be encouraging it. The author also shows how a "weeding out" process occurs, in which an inquisition in reverse, allows for seminary directors to weed out those who are particularly conservative or orthodox. The author shows an environment in the seminaries that is plagued with liberalism and sexual immorality. The author maintains that there is a prominent gay subculture in many seminaries with openly gay candidates and seminary professors. This culture of militant homosexuality frequently makes even the most un-homophobic of heterosexual men uncomfortable. Further, there is found to be a disgusting emphasis on sex with all manner of sexual improprieties abounding. Much of the material presented here is quite graphic and indeed "sex manuals" and textbooks are frequently given out to seminaries which run brazenly counter to the teachings of the church on human sexuality. Further, many of the more orthodox candidates who do not toe the line regarding these new sexual perversions are sexually harassed by brazenly homosexual candidates. The author also shows how heterodoxy, liberalism, modernism, and worse have entered the teaching at many Catholic seminaries. Professors frequently bash the church and maintain a theology which is frankly Protestant or modernist. The author also shows how piety is lambasted, and frequently those who are traditionally pious face drastic consequences. For example, in some seminaries those who regularly pray the rosary are referred to as "Pharisees" and targeted for abuse. Most disturbing however is the use of psychology and psychoanalysis against those who maintain an orthodox allegiance to the pope. Such orthodox candidates are frequently singled out as "rigid" or "inflexible" (words which may be genuine criticisms of a person's character but which here are used as codewords to describe those who are theologically orthodox). Such candidates are frequently sent to psychologists who attempt to "alter" them, eerily reminiscent of the Soviet use of psychology and "re-education" as one disgruntled candidate pointed out. This confirms for me what I have thought for a long time, that many psychoanalysts have their own agendas and that those agendas frequently conflict with both common sense and with a traditional Christian understanding of things. The author also shows how an inquisition exists in reverse to root out orthodox candidates. Much of this can be attributed to a generational conflict between older and younger priests who are often quite orthodox and the generation of Sixties radicals. Finally, the author shows how any attempt by the Vatican to crack down on dissenters has largely failed and the desire to appear non-inquisitorial has led to the proliferation of all manner of abuses. From this I have to conclude that the hierarchy and perhaps even as far up as the papacy itself is largely either helpless or will not address such issues. The author ends by showing the possibility for a more orthodox priesthood with candidates often coming from "counter-cultural homeschooling type families". Ironically, some dioceses have chosen to address the "crisis" by appealing to the MTV culture, making billboards presenting the priesthood as cool and hip or even advertising on MTV. Such attempts are greatly misguided and result from a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of the Catholic church which has always been militantly opposed to the corruption of the outer world. The author also shows some orthodox seminaries and how they have prospered despite an outer culture that is increasingly hostile to the Catholic church.

This book provides a timely and disturbing account of the situation in Roman Catholic seminaries; however, some of the stories presented must obviously be taken with a grain of salt. Many of the abuses occurred during the 70s and 80s and thus may not accurately reflect the situation as it currently exists. Further, some of the accounts of some of the disgruntled ex-candidates presented in this book have been called into question. Nevertheless, if even some of what is presented here is indeed going on, that is a deeply disturbing thing. As such, this book is recommended to all thinking Catholics who want to honestly address the problems that the church faces.

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The story behind the crisis in the Catholic Church is far worse than you think...

Intimidation, Discrimination, Molestation, Rape, Sexual Promiscuity, and Cover-Ups-That's What Going on Inside Many Catholic Seminaries Across the Country

As the controversy surrounding the Catholic Church deepens, many people are asking: How could this have happened? In a new book, Goodbye, Good Men, author Michael Rose presents shocking evidence that the root of the problem extends down to the very place where vocations to the priesthood germinate: the seminary. Rose, who over the course of two years interviewed some 125 seminarians representing fifty dioceses and twenty-two major seminaries, has uncovered a profound spiritual problem inside the seminaries and a sickness of untold proportions.

Goodbye, Good Men: How Liberals Brought Corruption into the Catholic Church exposes the deliberate infiltration by those who wish to change the doctrines, disciplines and mission of the Catholic Church. This radical subculture and its liberal mindset-one that accepts homosexuality and sexual promiscuity in many seminaries-threatens the future of the Catholic Church.

The gay subculture is so prominent at certain seminaries that they have earned nicknames such as: "Pink Palace" (St. Mary's Seminary in Baltimore), "Notre Flame" (Notre Dame Seminary in New Orleans), and "Theological Closet" (Theological College at the Catholic University of America in Washington, DC). At these and several other seminaries, Rose found shocking examples of how, time and time again, chaste heterosexual seminarians are dismissed as unfit for the priesthood, while promiscuous homosexuals, and even those who have harassed, molested, or even raped other seminarians, are protected or promoted.

For anyone who has asked how pedophiles or predatory homosexual priests could possibly have been tolerated-here is the answer, in the most explosive book on the Catholic Church in a generation.

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